Talk:Swamp Thing

Real/Fictional Placement

It seems to me, as an encyclopedia article, not a "Who's Who in the DC Universe" fictional comic bio, that Fictional Character Biography should come after Publication History as it reflects the conceptual and real world development of the character which is the primary purpose of an encyclopedia article. If you were doing a report or article on the character, the fictional biography, which is generally pretty fluid and often reflects what is currently written as canon to the character, isn't the primary information that you'd be looking for. I'm not arguing that it shouldn't be included. But the Publication History and real world facts should take precedence over it. beanlynch 15:25, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

Moore Vandalism

This section is entirely untrue: He also caused some significant controversy by having young (assumed by many to be underage) Kate Chappel fall in love with the Swamp Thing. During her confession to him, she uttered the well-known line, "You aren't ugly. Your face is just... complex. I like it." There was never a character in Swamp Thing called Kate Chappel, nor did the series ever deal with underage love.

Plot summary

I cut the following section, titled "Key plot lines under Alan Moore". It has style problems, but more than that, it only describes a single plot line (or maybe one and a half). If someone really wants to do a summary of the whole series, go ahead, although there are plenty of fan sites for that. ←Hob 19:10, 2005 Feb 26 (UTC)

After the revelation that he is not human in 'The Anatomy Lesson' Swamp Thing Returns to Louisiana. SW's relationship with Abigail Arcane deepens, but it turns out she has been engaged in an incestuous relationship with her own uncle (disguised as her husband, who has secretly been killed). Abigail's soul is sent to hell, but in an issue modelled on Dante's Inferno, SW follows Abigail, encountering characters such as The Spectre en route, and eventually rescues her.

Just as a note, the "Saga of the Swamp Thing" link now redirects to this artice, making it a recursively pointless mess. I can only assume there was once a seperate page for this storyline/comic. I don't know much about it myself so I'm not touching it, though I assume the best thing to do is just change the link to normal text. Just a heads up to the editors working on this page.--Lord Shitzu 12:33, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

Collections?

With four series and so many authors, is there a coherent set of trade paperbacks available for this series? Is anyone up to the task of cataloguing them? Has someone done so already? If I want to get into the series, where's a good place to start? Moore's run kicked off the whole British Invasion of the 1980s, right? grendel|khan 16:44, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)

Added Collections of existing TPBs. (I am not sure if the 4th series has been collected beyond Bad Seed) -Grumpyhan 16:13, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Solomon Grundy

Solomon Grundy's origin is very similar to the Heap and he was introduced at DC not long after the Heap in the early 40's. Grundy has appeared in recent years in Robinson's Starman and in some memorable episodes of Justice League Unlimited. He deserves a page of his own, but I don't have time to dig out my old Green Lantern/Starman reprints.

Yes, and in one of Rick Veitch's Swamp Thing storylines, Grundy almost becomes Swamp Thing's successor. (That whole bit was probably totally mystifying to anyone who wasn't familiar with DC's long history of odd characters, but the same is true of much of Moore's DC writing, not to mention Neil Gaiman...) ←Hob 15:18, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)

2016 6 Issue Mini Series

There is a new 6 issue series by DC Comics that started cover date March 2016. It is written by Len Wein. It is set in New 52, but not exactly as it seems to not entirely follow all of the New 52 changes to the parliament of the Green. Would that be considered a Volume 6, or just a mini series?

Can somebody share a quote from Comics Interview #102?

The section on Nancy Collins states that there is an attempt to restore a pre-Moore feeling to the series, and cites an interview in Comics Interview #102. Does anybody have this, and if so, can you share the supporting quotation, specifically the mention of Moore? Thanks.

"Concept and creation" section

I have expanded and elaborated on this subject since the previous text of this section clearly implied that Len Wein's Swamp Thing was a completely original creation, as if no influences or past works had ever existed or influenced his character.

There are no mentions at all to any other previous works pertaining to the existence of other "muck monsters" or "swamp things" so the reader might as well as think that Wein's The Swamp Thing is indeed a 100% original creation, which given the facts given would be misleading or untruthful to say the least.

I find it necessary to acknowledge the existence of previous works that dealt with the subject matter. Otherwise we would be erasing the works of other people that came before. Nothing comes from nothing. The sources I have mentioned already count with a number of well-established Wikipedia pages and articles on the Internet supported by a wealth of available information.

I don't think deleting the expanded information is the solution and if any, it would be any improvement with more new information or a better edition of the texts added. Darkalo (talk) 20:29, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

"Despite Wein's statement, a number of similar muck-monsters had already been featured in a number of past publications, so it is not a far-fetched assumption that he might have been acquainted with some of them by the time of his character's creation. In a 2003 interview he recalled that he was "a very sickly kid. While I was in the hospital at age seven, my dad brought me a stack of comic books to keep me occupied."" - I can't seem to access the reference you used for this. Is it just for his statement in the interview, or does it specifically say that he may have been acquainted with similar monsters?

The next 4 paragraphs seem to just be you pointing out that other similar creatures existed in comics.

"Finally and perhaps the greatest influence in the creation of DC's Swamp Thing was the brainchild of Marvel Comics editor Stan Lee and writer Roy Thomas: the Man-Thing." - Who is making that claim?

I'm not saying it was a completely original idea. Not much was then or now...but outside that very last bit that does appear to specifically talk about the similarities and potential legal action, everything you added still looks like WP:OR. --Onorem (talk) 21:05, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps you don’t understand what “original research” means. Unless you find sources that specifically compare the creation of swamp thing to these other muck monsters, it can’t be included. You looking at these other muck monsters and coming to the conclusion that since they predated Swamp Thing, they must have had an influence on his creation is the very definition of original research. Rcarter555 (talk) 07:48, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

In the end everything is original research but I see your point and how those rules apply. Maybe I could just include some of that information I presented but on the page already dedicated to muck monsters instead . I any case this is not such an issue for me so I'll give it a bit of thinking before posting anything on that other page. Thanks. Darkalo (talk) 08:30, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Television Section

This section makes a ton of references to what may have been read above, but a lot of readers looking for information on the televisions series' will go the section and have no idea what people are talking about. 184.97.31.119 (talk) 18:01, 14 February 2024 (UTC)