Talk:Andrew Marvell

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This from a page redirected here, might provide material for additions. Charles Matthews 12:37, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Andrew Marvell lived in hull as a boy. He then represented this town as an MP for nearly twenty years. Born in 1621, he was brutally murdered in 1678 by his lover, Marie Pinter. We can see refrences to his life experiences, in the poem 'TO HIS COY MISTRESS', which was written in the 17th century. This, aided by his love of life, helped him and his fellow poets write many master pieces, such as 'NIGHT' and 'ODE TO AUTUMN'. These are just a few examples of his magnificent work. Marvell tended to contemplate the Jewish religion. An extract from his novel 'AFTER THE NIGHTINGALE HAS FLED' shows this clearly to the reader. 'And you should, if you please, refuse Till the conversion of the Jews. My vegetable love should grow Vaster than empires, and more slow.' We know that this is impossible, and it also relates to the end of time, which shows his loss for his mother, Casandra Marvell, who died at the tender age of 29, leaving Marvell a young 7 year old.

As someone who (a) feels he knows at least something about Marvell and (b) contributed to the Wikipedia article on the same, I must say that the above paragraph strikes me as extraordinary crankish and inaccurate. Hydrotaphia 20:18, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Well it certainly made me laugh! [[User:Paul Tracy|Paul Tracy_/talk]]

im sure someone who knows more about marvell could contribute here... thuglas^talk|edits 16:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll think you will find the quote "Till the conversion of the jews" is actually from "To his coy mistress"

Date of death

A goodly number of online sources say he died on 18 August 1678. One even says it was "Friday, 18 August 1678". Do we know for certain it was the 16th? -- JackofOz (talk) 07:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perspective

It seems to me not quite correct to say that Marvell has a good eye for perspective. Perspective in this context is a visual thing; this is not the kind of perspective that one refers to when trying to put things in perspective. I wonder how readers are supposed to interpret the meaning of Marvell's having a good eye for perspective? I think the sentence should be reworded to say whatever it really intends to say.Geneven (talk) 16:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, What? Some of this discussion is embarrassing.

This article needs a lot of cleanup as a whole, and while I am capable of doing it and citing every single fact, I'm kind of a busy guy. So, I figure I'll start by opening up a list of things that need to be changed. I'll chip away at this stuff as I find time, but any other ambitious people can follow my lead in repairing the problems.

--Someone please find a reliable reference for the "brutally murdered" bit. Actually, don't waste your time, Marvell died of ague, at least on official records (there was a conspiracy theory, synchronous to the Popish Plot, that he had been poisoned by Jesuits for some of his anonymous anti-papist pamphleteering). Any half decent university library can supply you a citation to support this.

--Marvell had a career as a politician, prose controversialist, and political activist that during his lifetime and scholarly afterlife far overshadowed his career as a poet, at least until T.S. Elliot took an interest. This is not at all represented by the article, and can be supported by many easily accessible works, again, available in any half decent university library. Annabel Patterson's scholarly work is a good place to begin, that or just the introductions to the recent Yale editions of Marvell's prose for an overview. In fact, his prose was very influential in the early 18th century, Jonathan Swift was a fan, and the Whigs turned him into somewhat of a mascot for political virtue.

--His poetry goes well beyond the genre of Restoration "metaphysical" poetry. It's multi-dimensional, elusively or overtly political (see the Horatian Ode &c, or what are called his "Verse Satires"), and often is driven by a tortured sexual identity, see Upon a Eunuch, or the Mower Poems (the existing article touches on this issue a little bit). Nigel Smith's notes in the Longman Edition of Marvell's Poetry can provide a source here, again, check a university library.

I know this is kind of a bitchy addition to the talk, and I'm sorry for that, but this particular article has been frustrating me.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Nhackler (talk • contribs) 08:38, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The idea that he was murdered by Jesuits was a politically convenient fiction for Ashley- Cooper & the popish Plot theorists. His pamphlet "Upon Arbitrary Government" was written to expose the King's treason in negotiating the Secret Treaty of Dover. However such an accusation to which was apparently common knowledge would itself be treason so he framed it as a thinly- veiled attack on bad advisors (presumably Clifford & Danby). Despite this Charles was offering a reward to find the author. Whilst the death of Marvell was undoubtedly unrelated, the nature of contemporary medicine (such as administering mercury)was such that it often was lethal & a martyr was required to kick start the Papist Plot hysteria. Marvell however died in Hull but Edmund Godfrey supplied the required body by being found impaled at Primrose Hill the following October 1678--Streona (talk) 14:48, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Pronunciation

Surely the /r/ is not typically pronounced when saying his name, is it? At least not in RP – and presumably that's what's used for these IPA pronunciation guides, right? Wikiwikiwoolgar (talk) 12:56, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]