Talk:Jämthund

Question

Is "Jamthundt" correct? I've only seen this breed called a "Jamthund" (or more accurately "Jämthund"). The FCI use "Jämthund", Google gives no hits for ""Jamthundt", the only listing in my books is also for "Jämthund". Any objections to me changing the spelling here? -- sannse 15:30, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)

In the local dialect, SwedishJämt is Jamt, so Jamthund would be as correct as Jämthund, at least in an anglophonic context where the letter ä doesn't exist. Jens Persson (213.67.64.22 19:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC))

I'm pretty sure that the question was regarding the use of the letter t as the last letter in the word, jämthundt, since someone had spelled the word like that when the question was raised and not about the use of the letter a instead of ä. 80.216.103.37 22:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

And to answer that question, it's never spelled with a t at the end in Swedish, the correct spelling is Jämthund. -- Barnflickan 18:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't we also mention its Jamtlandic name bear dog (i.e., "bjännhunn" [ˈbɪɛnːˌhɵnː]) used prior to its breed definition? Source: Jakt & Jägare (9/03).

Jens Persson (90.231.244.42 (talk) 19:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC))

I for one have never ever herd someone call them beardog (bjännhunn) in which part of jamtlands do u hear this..? --193.11.102.65 (talk) 09:08, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

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Why don't you just give up on the PNG image and use JPEG. I even uploaded a converted one for you in case you don't know how (it's pretty easy to do with Irfanview):

File:Jamthund.jpg

SWEDISH Elkhound!?

The Jämthund must be a JAMTISH/JAMTLANDIC Elkhound rather than a SWEDISH Elkhound. Remember that Jämtland has been a part of Sweden for only slightly more than 300 years. Prior to that it was a part of Norway, so one should use the name of the province rather than the country which the province happens to belong to since some time. The dog is way much older than 300 years, so why should swedes have any credit for its existence? Jens Persson (213.67.64.22 19:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC))

Thing you ought to consider though is that before Jämtland was conquered by Sweden it still was only Norwegian on paper, in reality it was fairly autonomous, and due to it's geographic location cultural ties with both Norway and Sweden have always been strong. The breed of dog however, despite being called Jämthund, wasn't really exclusive to Jämtland, but rather to the general area around Jämtland, so to be more correct it isn't only a Jämtlandic breed but a breed native to the central scandinavian peninsula, and credit should go to Swedes, Norwegians, and Jämtlandians alike, but I agree with you that calling it a Swedish Elkhound does place an unduely amount of credit on Swedes, which is why I always call it Jämthund. -- Barnflickan 18:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

In this sense Swedish is a political adjective, just like e.g. Gutnish is a Swedish dialect. The name, however imprecise, seems to be well established so it should definately be mentioned. Though a clarification under a name-section is of course not harmful. //Heimvennar - divider 18:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

My understanding is that focussed breeding of working, rural dogs, and therefore specified breeds of such dogs, is a phenomenon which is not really older than the 19th century. The Jämthund was recognised and registered as a breed only in 1946, according to svwiki. So references to the pre-1645 situation in Jämtland with respect to this breed may not be entirely relevant, unless you can provide some very convicing sources. Tomas e (talk) 16:13, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Well...

Well, that's what some dog books I've read say. Sorry, I don't have them at hand to cite source from. Michael (talk) 15:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Military use of the Jämthund

Since 2003, this article has contained claims of Jämthund as the official dog of the Swedish Airforce and Marines, as well as being mobilised for wartime duties. The claim was initially added in this edit, and has later been rephrased and moved around. This claim is unsourced, and is not found in the Swedish article sv:Jämthund. I can't recall ever having seen a Swedish military Jämthund; the service dogs in Sweden are mostly German Shepherd Dogs (as almost everywhere else, I assume), although I remember also having seen a Rottweiler or two, so I'm sceptical about the existence of the concept of an "official service dog" of the Swedish Armed Forces. The volunteer organisation responsible for mobilisable Armed Forces dogs, Svenska Brukshundsklubben actually has a GSD in its logotype! A quick look on the website of the Swedish breed club Svenska Jämthundklubben only showed hunting-related links and partners. So, for now, I've given both these claims a "citation needed". I think it's likely that these claims are a hoax, and I will remove them from the article in the near future if I don't see them properly referenced with WP:RS. Tomas e (talk) 15:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Elk

To quote the New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary: The New Authority on the English Language, Volume 1, page 800:

Elk The largest living deer Alces alces, found in the northern parts of Europe, Asia, and North America.......Also (N. Amer.) called Moose.

Additionally, the FCI International Breed Standard on page 2 tells us:

UTILIZATION: Hunting dog. Mainly used for hunting elk...

Let us hear no more about it being referred to as a "moose" all around the world - no it is not. William Harris (talk) 08:14, 23 June 2021 (UTC)