Talk:Jean-Frédéric Waldeck

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In the very first paragraph, is it "antiquitarian" or "antiquarian"? KF 07:41 Apr 7, 2003 (UTC)

If anyone contributing to the notable centenarianlist is wondering, de Waldeck's age and dates of birth and death are indeed correct. I have found at the library a few historical biographical indexes that state he was 109 years of age at his death. I know many of you probably find that increasingly difficult to believe (because he died in 1875), but I assure you that it is true. Just think of what I thought when I first came across the dates born 1766 died 1875!!!! Longevitymonger April 11, 2003 (UTC)

What is your source on his date of birth and to "assure that it is true"? Robert L. Brunhouse's 1973 biography in of Waldeck "In Search of the Maya" seems to have trouble verifying much of anything about him before the 1810s and there are considerable gaps of info in his life even later. Brunhouse sites earlier research on Waldeck by Dr. H.C. Cline that could find no evidence for the date or place of Waldeck's birth. Has something new been discovered since? Wondering, -- Infrogmation 04:31 Apr 12, 2003 (UTC)

Dear Infrogmation, Glad to see that your taking such an intrest in Jean de Waldeck. If my above paragraph leaves you unsure of his actual longevity, here are two websites you might want to take a look at.

http://www.famousameri cans.net/jeanfredericdewaldeck/ (this one contains a picture) and http://emuseum.mnsu.edu/information/biography/uvwxyz/waldeck_jean.html (this one contains some information into his early years in France and in his exploration of the Cape of Good Hope.)

P.S: If you come across any new information relating to Waldeck, I'd love to here about it! Longevitymonger

Thanks. As someone interested in the ancient Maya, I've been familiar with Waldeck's work for many years. Given Waldeck's history, it's certainly possible that his undoccumented given birthdate was as fictious as his claims to be a Count. Certainly a small percentage of people do live to such great ages, and the notion of him keeping his wits to age 109 and dying suddenly while flirting with a pretty young girl in Paris is so picturesque that one is loathe to question it. Anyway: Chiapas is a state in Mexico, not the name of a ruin. Palenque is in Chiapas. -- Infrogmation 19:16 Apr 12, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the verification of Chiapas: It is interesting to see that someone was already interested in Waldeck's work. I just recently (about two months ago) became aware of him. During a random query on a search engine, I found his name, and the web page stated he was 109 years of age! Naturally, I added him to my own notable centenarians list, and he automatically made it into the top ten. You are absolutly right that his age is under some scrutiny, and it would be nice to know if he was 109 years of age when he died. You can't forget, he's been dead for nearly 130 years. Just to let you know , my list is now at over 400 notable individuals all 100 years of age or older, which means I'll be adding people to Wikipedia for a long time to come. If you come across anyone other centenarian dealing with the ancient art world, or any centenarian that has made a contribution to society in some form or another, please add him/her to the list. I would be most appreciative. Longevitymonger

Influence

I have removed the following from the article:

Waldeck subsequently influenced many generations of artists and explorers to come, including Dame Freya Stark and Helge Ingstad.

If some source can be presented (eg, do Stark and Ingstad talk about Waldeck's influence in anything they've written?), fine, back this goes. As Stark and Ingstad are fellow centenarians, I'm not sure if Longevitymonger suggests that Waldeck inspired them about how old to live to ? :-) -- Infrogmation 13:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hoax

I have removed the hoax tag. I presume the tag is intended for situations where the entire article is suspected of being a hoax. The existance of Waldeck is well documented, and sources are listed in the article. Certain of Waldeck's own autobiographical claims are doubted and unconfirmed, but this is specifically mentioned in the article, which makes no assertion of truthfulness for dubious claims. -- Infrogmation (talk) 02:58, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that's what I thought and that was the reason I removed the tag in the first place. I readded it upon being told that this person was just a French fairytale (so to speak), pending further research. So just to be certain, Waldeck WAS a real person even if some of his claims were BS, right? Cheers, CP 02:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he existed alright. It's just that many claims made by and about him, are generally suspect and of the tall tales variety. --cjllw ʘ TALK 11:52, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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