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Alternative names

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The Arabian Sea historically and geographically had many other different names by Muslim travelers and European geographers such as: Akhzar Sea, Persian Sea,[1], Chah Bahar,[2] Makran Sea,[3] Sindhu Sagar,[4] Erythraean Sea,[5] Dera Macran,[6] and Sindh Sea.[7] The name of the sea is disputed amongst some historians in Iran and Pakistan.[8] They collectively argue and believe that the name Arabian Sea was first used on maps due to colonialism in the past 400 years.[9] Among historians, travellers and geographers of the Islamic era, many of them writing in Arabic or persian from the 9th to the 17th century, Ibn Khordadbeh,[10] Ibn al-Faqih,[11] Ibn Rustah,[12] Sohrab,[13] Ramhormozi,[14] Abu Ishaq Ibrahim ibn Muhammad al-Farisi al Istakhri,[15] Abu al-Hasan Ali ibn al-Husayn ibn Ali al-Mas'udi,[16] Al-Mutahhar ibn Tahir al-Maqdisi (d. 966),[17] Ibn Hawqal,[18] Al-Muqaddasi,[19] Ibn Khaldun, Mohammad ibn Najub Bekiran,[20] Abu Rayhan Biruni,[21] Muhammad al-Idrisi,[22] Yaqut al-Hamawi,[23] Zakariya al-Qazwini,[24] Abu'l-Fida,[25] Al-Dimashqi,[26] Hamdollah Mostowfi,[27] Al-Nuwayri,[26] Ibn Batutta,[28] Katip Çelebi and other sources have used the terms, "Bahr-i Mohit", "Bahr-i Mohit i Ajam", "Bahr-al-'Ajami", "Bahr-i-Fars", "Dera-i-Fars"(Persian), and "Bahr-i Mokran/Mecran", "Bahr-i Al Akhzar" (green) to refer to the current Arabian sea. ("Bahr-in Arabic means Sea" and Mohit means ocean) none of them referred to as Arabian sea.[29] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maahmaah (talk • contribs) 12:25, 14 April 2012

References

  1. ^ [1],(par34-35)
  2. ^ [2]
  3. ^ [3]
  4. ^ Geographica Indica - The Arabian Sea
  5. ^ [4]
  6. ^ 1794, Orbis Veteribus Notus by Jean Baptiste Bourguignon d'Anville
  7. ^ National Atlas of India Abridged Edition Edited by Dr. P.Nag. Lakshadweep sea(Arabian sea). National atlas and thematic mapping organization department of science & technology government of India 2002]
  8. ^ [5]
  9. ^ [6]
  10. ^ "Al-Massalek wa al-Mamalek", Leiden edition, 1889. p. 233
  11. ^ The abrdiged "Al-Buldan", Leiden, 1885, p. 8
  12. ^ Ibn Rustah, Kitāb al-A'lāk an-Nafīsa, ed. M. J. De Goeje, Bibliotheca Geographorum Arabicorum [BGA], Leiden, E. J. Brill, 1891/1892. p. 81
  13. ^ Ajayeb al-Aqalim al-Saba ila Nehayate al-Mara, (Vienne: 1929), p. 59. 9th century AD.
  14. ^ Nakhoda Bozorg ibn Shahriyar Ramhormozi was another Persian geographer of the classical Islamic era, "Ajayeb al-Hind", ed: M. Davis, Leiden 1886, p. 41
  15. ^ "Massalek al-Mamalek", ed.: De M.J. Goeje, Leiden 1927, p. 28
  16. ^ "Muruj adh-dhahab wa ma'adin al-jawhar (The Meadows of Gold and Mines of Gems)", English Translation by Aloys Sprenger, Vol I, (London: 1841), p. 259
  17. ^ al-Bad’ wa-l Tarikh, (Paris: 1907) Tom IV, p. 58.
  18. ^ "The Oriental Geography of Ebn Hawkal", Translated by Sir Williams Ouseley (London: 1800) p. 62; "Surat al-Arḍ"(Leiden 1938), Vol I, p. 42.
  19. ^ Ahsan al-Taqasim fi Ma’rifat al-Aqalim. Ed: De A.J. Goeje, (Leiden 1906), p. 17.
  20. ^ "Jahan Nama", Vol I. p. 44. .
  21. ^ "Al-Tafhim le-awa’el Sena al-Tanjim" ed.: Jalal al-Din Homai (Tehran: 1318 Hijri Sola Calendar), p. 167. Also in "Qanun Masudi"(Heydarabad, 1955), Vol. II. p. 558.
  22. ^ "Geographic d’Edirisi" traduite de l’Arabe en Francais par P. Amedee Jaulert (Recueil des voyages et des memoires publiees par la Societe de Geographie), (Paris: 1840), Vols. VI and VI. "Nuzhat al-Mushtaq fi Ikhtraq al-Afar", (Rome : 1878). p. 9
  23. ^ "mu’jam al-Buldan",(Cairo: 1906), Vol. 2, p. 68.
  24. ^ "Athar al-Bilad" (Gutingen: 1848), p. 104.
  25. ^ "Taqwim al-Buldan", Geographie d’Aboulfeda traduite de l’Arab par M. Reinaud, 2 Vols. (Paris: 1848), Vol 1, p. 23.
  26. ^ a b Quoted also in Mohammad Javad Mashkoor in an article titled "Nam-i Khalij Fars" in the proceeding of the "Seminar on Khalij-e-Fars" (Tehran: 1964). p. 46.
  27. ^ "Nuzhat al-Qolub", ed: Mohammad Dabir Sayaqi, (Tehran: 1336 Hijri Solar Year), p. 164.
  28. ^ "The Travels of Ibn Babutta", translated from the abrdiged Arabic MMS of Cambridge by the Rev. Samuel Lee(Cambridgde: 1824), p. 56
  29. ^ [7]

05:26, 19 December 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basp1 (talk • contribs)

Basp1 you can work at your sandbox. Currently all you have been adding is content sourced to Wikipedia and a persian blog. Read WP:RS, WP:SPS, WP:SNYTH and WP:FRINGE.--SharabSalam (talk) 06:00, 19 December 2019 (UTC
  1. the books that have been mentioned are very important and reliable source in the world. you seem to be against any reliable source that mentioned the facts. you think that this sources Are not reliable and you are reliable ?? you should prove it :Yaqut al-Hamawi mentioned it as Akhzar sea [9] Ibn Khordadbeh ,

Ibn Sa'id al-Maghribi , Muhammad al-Idrisi,Istakhri ,Mahmud al-Kashgari ,Khashkhash Ibn Saeed Ibn Aswad and Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi had mentioned the sea as Persian sea and sea of Mokran.there are many maps and atlases which prove the names other than Arabian sea in the past centuries .there are a lot of famous facts and documents.

some of the midival map including the map by Vincenzo Maria Coronelli, 1693 had mentioned the Persian sea and also Makran. thumb|The western part of the Indian Ocean, by Vincenzo Maria Coronelli, 1693 from his system of global gores the Makran coast

  1. thumb|The western part of the Indian Ocean, by Vincenzo Maria Coronelli, 1693 from his system of global gores the Makran coast
  1. thumb|Basra bahrefars — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basp1 (talk • contribs) 06:50, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  1. [10]
  1. thumb|TabulaRogeriana upside-down

[[11]] i will bring for you many maps and documents please wait — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basp1 (talk • contribs) 06:47, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply] 

 06:24, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Basp1 yep, these are not reliable sources and also original research. The sources you gave in the article were Wikipedia and this blog. The [http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00maplinks/mughal/miscmaps1600s/coronelli/coronelli1693.jpg map also mention the Arabian sea "Mare Arabia", I am not sure if the "Persian sea" was a small sea next to the Arabian sea( possibly the Gulf of Oman since it is located there and not mentioned in the map?). Also I went and checked these what al-Idrisi and forementioned people said and I found that they were referring to the Persian Gulf not the Arabian sea.--SharabSalam (talk) 06:42, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(Just to make things clear, Basp1 has edited his first comment adding more images since I replied)
  • Your deletion without reason proved that are not a neutral person and you should not remove my refrences

It is up to managers to decide about this part. so keep quite. look to the map in this page for example this: [12]

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Heinrich Kiepert. Imperia Persarum et Macedonum. 1903
Soulier, E.; Andriveau-Goujon, J. Anciens Empires Jusqua Alexandre. 1838
Persian(IRAN) Empire 1747

and the maps in this page : [13] 

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Basp1 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Recently research

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It has one of the. Largest dead zone in ocean being lifeless because of depleted oxygen Personale (talk) 08:23, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

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″The Arabian Sea has repeatedly changed its name, first called in ancient times the sea of ​​Eritrea, with reference to the sea of ​​Eritrea which bordered it. In the 18th century it was called mar di India, as it appears from a map drawn up in 1707 by a Dutch publisher and bookseller. Article translated from French. Web link: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mer_d%27Arabie″ --Kiss de Băbeni (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2019 (UTC) --Kiss de Băbeni (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2019 (UTC) --Kiss de Băbeni (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2019 (UTC) --Kiss de Băbeni (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Persian sea" listed at Redirects for discussion

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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Persian sea. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 18#Persian sea until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 07:39, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

previous Historical names

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(this part is necessary to be added to Arabian sea, the sources are reliable. but it is only a matter of history should not be alternative name.)

historical names

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The Arabian Sea historically and geographically has been referred to with different names by Turks, persian , Arabs and scholars of Geography and cartography in medieval Islam, European geographers and travelers, including [1] :

  1. Erythraean Sea
  2. Persian Sea.in para34-35.Periplus [14] ,[2]
  3. Beher Macran
  4. Oman Sea
  5. Daria Fars
  6. Sindh Sagar.

in Indian folklore,it is referred to as Daria, and Arabi Samudra,(Sindhu Sagar). [3] in Pakistan it is called officially Arabian sea and unofficial Macran sea .

Umman Denizi(Oman sea
  1. In Turkish language Arabinan sea is called as Oman sea [15], this name was used by most of the ottoman geographer such as Piri Reis and Kâtip Çelebi in the "Tuḥfat al-kibār fī asfār al-Bihār" ('A Gift to the Great concerning Naval Expeditions') (1656) –The History of the Maritime Wars of the Turks[4] (1831) English translation by James Mitchell.[5][6] referred as Oman sea and also persian sea and some other Ottoman Empire maps were using Bahre Ajam (persian sea)such as in Cihannümâ (Katip Çelebi)
  2. in Iran in the past it was called persian sea but now like the Turkey it is called Oman sea together with the gulf of Oman Encyclopædia Iranica also call it Oman sea [16]

[17] some officials maps of the government uses both Arabian sea and Oman sea

  1. Persian Seaبحر فارس ,‏ [18]. According to the books:"The Persian Gulf throughout history" page 6 -7 by Dr Pirouz Mojtahedzadeh [19] [20] , "The Persian Gulf, from Ancient Times until Today". and "The History of Shipping in Iran" page42 by Ahmad Eghtedari and the "Documents on the Persian Gulf's name facts" pages 58-84 [21], [22]

and other scholar had wrote  :"old Arabic and Persian books used the Persian Sea. they did not used the term "Arabian Sea" Arabian sea first appeared in the European maps of 17 century". the geographers of Geography and cartography in medieval Islam were using the word Bahre Fars بحر فارس (persian sea) دریای فارس to mention the current body of water in the north of Indian Ocean.[23] [24] [25] Malmirian page 93-1001 [26] [7] Ibn al-Wardi ,Ibn Khordadbeh, Ibn Sa'id al-Maghribi, Muhammad al-Idrisi, Istakhri, Mahmud al-Kashgari, Khashkhash Ibn Saeed Ibn Aswad and Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi had mentioned the sea as Persian sea and sea of Mokran.[8] some of the medieval map including the map by Vincenzo Maria Coronelli, 1693 had mentioned the Persian sea and also Makran.[9] Cornelius Le Brun's Year 1718 Map.in the 16th century map by Abraham Ortelius in which the name of the Persian Sea and the Indian Sea appear.[10] In the Book Documents on the Persian Gulf's name([27] Pages 60 to 84 are devoted to the description of the Persian Sea in the books of geographers and historians of Muslim world, All of whom had called the seas of south part of Iran , India and the Arabian Peninsula as the Persian Sea, the book cited description of the Persian sea from the book (Sourat Ard)Face of the Earth page 42 Written by Ibn Hawql:” … after Arabs lands then should be mentioned The Sea of Persia because Persian sea includes most of Arabs borders,and the Arabia (peninsula) connected to this sea ,the Persian sea connected to many countries of Islam. this sea start from the Qulzam(Red sea ) and ends to Eble (Basra bay), then It crosses Bandar Siraf then extends to the coasts of Hormuz then Makran to the coasts of Multan, which is the coasts of Sindh (Pakistan) which the boundaries of the countries of Islam ended then the persian sea continues to the coasts of India then connect to to the sea of China”. see original text:[28] the book the cited [1] others scholars of Geography and cartography in medieval Islamsuch as : Zakariya al-Qazwini, Al-Masudi ,Ibn Hawqal,[11],[29] [30](Hafiz-i Abru),mentioned in the book History of Islam and Iran, says:"the Green Sea is also called the Sea of India and it connects with the Persian Sea.” [12]. [13][14] Arabian Sea was first used on European maps in the colonial period .[15] Ibn Khordadbeh,[16] Ibn al-Faqih,[17] Ibn Rustah,[18] Sohrab,[19] Ramhormozi,[20] Abu Ishaq Ibrahim ibn Muhammad al-Farisi al Istakhri,[21] Abu al-Hasan Ali ibn al-Husayn ibn Ali al-Mas'udi,[22] Al-Mutahhar ibn Tahir al-Maqdisi (d. 966),[23] Al-Muqaddasi,[24] Ibn Khaldun, Mohammad ibn Najub Bekiran,[25] Abu Rayhan Biruni,[26] Muhammad al-Idrisi,[27] Yaqut al-Hamawi,[28] Zakariya al-Qazwini,[29] Abu'l-Fida ,pages 26- 27 [31] ,[30] Al-Dimashqi,[31] Hamdollah Mostowfi,[32] Al-Nuwayri,[31] Ibn Batutta,[33] Katip Çelebi and other sources have used the terms, "Bahr-e Mohit e Ajam", "Bahr-al-'Ajami", "Bahr-e-Fars", "Deria-e-Fars"(Persian sea), and "Bahr-e Mokran/Mecran", "Bahr-e Al Akhzar" (green) to refer to the current Arabian sea. ("Bahr-in Arabic means Sea" and Mohit means ocean) none of the above mentioned scholar of Geography and cartography in medieval Islam mentioned Arabian sea. [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] .[34] 

[35]

References

  1. ^ a b "Ministry of MoFA Iran: Introducing a Book and Atlas". mfa.gov.ir.
  2. ^ "The Voyage around the Erythraean Sea". washington.edu.
  3. ^ "Kamat's Potpourri: The Arabian Sea". kamat.com.
  4. ^ Mitchell 1831.
  5. ^ “A Jewel of Ottoman Naval History: The Book of Kâtip Çelebi on Naval Campaigns" in the MuslimHeritage.com
  6. ^ "Ottoman Maritime Arsenals And Shipbuilding Technology In The 16th And 17th Centuries" Archived 2013-10-14 at the Wayback Machine in the MuslimHeritage.com
  7. ^ http://www.persiangulfstudies.com/fa/pages/875/دریای-مکران-یا دریای عرب
  8. ^ "persian sea bahre fars: Author: group of Writers". wikifeqh. 2010. Retrieved 7 February 2021.
  9. ^ "دریای عرب". September 14, 2020 – via Wikipedia.
  10. ^ "List" (PDF). catdir.loc.gov. Retrieved 2020-09-19.
  11. ^ "The Oriental Geography of Ebn Hawkal", Translated by Sir Williams Ouseley (London: 1800) p. 62; "Surat al-Arḍ"(Leiden 1938), Vol I, p. 42.
  12. ^ "بحر فارس". August 28, 2020 – via Wikipedia.
  13. ^ https://www.britannica.com/place/Arabian-Sea
  14. ^ https://www.jstor.org/stable/20078849?seq=1
  15. ^ [8]
  16. ^ "Al-Massalek wa al-Mamalek", Leiden edition, 1889. p. 233
  17. ^ The abrdiged "Al-Buldan", Leiden, 1885, p. 8
  18. ^ Ibn Rustah, Kitāb al-A'lāk an-Nafīsa, ed. M. J. De Goeje, Bibliotheca Geographorum Arabicorum [BGA], Leiden, E. J. Brill, 1891/1892. p. 81
  19. ^ Ajayeb al-Aqalim al-Saba ila Nehayate al-Mara, (Vienne: 1929), p. 59. 9th century AD.
  20. ^ Nakhoda Bozorg ibn Shahriyar Ramhormozi was another Persian geographer of the classical Islamic era, "Ajayeb al-Hind", ed: M. Davis, Leiden 1886, p. 41
  21. ^ "Massalek al-Mamalek", ed.: De M.J. Goeje, Leiden 1927, p. 28
  22. ^ "Muruj adh-dhahab wa ma'adin al-jawhar (The Meadows of Gold and Mines of Gems)", English Translation by Aloys Sprenger, Vol I, (London: 1841), p. 259
  23. ^ al-Bad’ wa-l Tarikh, (Paris: 1907) Tom IV, p. 58.
  24. ^ Ahsan al-Taqasim fi Ma’rifat al-Aqalim. Ed: De A.J. Goeje, (Leiden 1906), p. 17.
  25. ^ "Jahan Nama", Vol I. p. 44. .
  26. ^ "Al-Tafhim le-awa’el Sena al-Tanjim" ed.: Jalal al-Din Homai (Tehran: 1318 Hijri Sola Calendar), p. 167. Also in "Qanun Masudi"(Heydarabad, 1955), Vol. II. p. 558.
  27. ^ "Geographic d’Edirisi" traduite de l’Arabe en Francais par P. Amedee Jaulert (Recueil des voyages et des memoires publiees par la Societe de Geographie), (Paris: 1840), Vols. VI and VI. "Nuzhat al-Mushtaq fi Ikhtraq al-Afar", (Rome : 1878). p. 9
  28. ^ "mu’jam al-Buldan",(Cairo: 1906), Vol. 2, p. 68.
  29. ^ "Athar al-Bilad" (Gutingen: 1848), p. 104.
  30. ^ "Taqwim al-Buldan", Geographie d’Aboulfeda traduite de l’Arab par M. Reinaud, 2 Vols. (Paris: 1848), Vol 1, p. 23.
  31. ^ a b .Quoted also in Mohammad Javad Mashkoor in an article titled "Nam-i Khalij Fars" in the proceeding of the "Seminar on Khalij-e-Fars" (Tehran: 1964). p. 46.
  32. ^ "Nuzhat al-Qolub", ed: Mohammad Dabir Sayaqi, (Tehran: 1336 Hijri Solar Year), p. 164.
  33. ^ "The Travels of Ibn Babutta", translated from the abrdiged Arabic MMS of Cambridge by the Rev. Samuel Lee(Cambridgde: 1824), p. 56
  34. ^ http://www.persiangulfstudies.com/fa/pages/875/دریای-مکران-یا دریای عرب
  35. ^ "Ministry of MoFA Iran: Introducing a Book and Atlas". mfa.gov.

some maps with historical names

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Many atlases had published old maps of Asia and Indian ocean such as Atlas of The Arabian Peninsula in Old European Maps.Paris, 424pp. contains 253 maps.10 maps have used persian Sea (for the body of water which is now called Arabian sea)the maps in pages: -141-226-323-322-331-345-347-363-355•[41] such as the hours shape map of Bunting H.S.Q34/24CM Hanover,1620. [1] 

 08:00, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Ministry of MoFA Iran: Introducing a Book and Atlas". mfa.gov.ir.

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2021

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5.211.210.253 (talk) 09:29, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:11, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Expert needed?

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Ibuap, would you care to explain what you mean here? I'm not sure i understand what you object to in the edit i deletion i reverted. Seems to me that a section on alternate names, especially for a body of water which has had them over the years, is reasonable ~ i am quite happy to learn and to discuss, it's just that i need to know the parameters to begin with. Thanks. Happy days, ~ LindsayHello 14:30, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Persian Sea in lead.

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Firstly, as every gulf has been named after its sea, this sea is technically referred to as the Persian Sea, not that 'arabian sea'. Secondly, as a massive significant minority, all Persians around the globe and the Iranian ethnic groups and their descendants, potentially more than just that, refer to this body of water as “the Persian Sea” it is necessary and unavoidable to put the term “Persian Sea” as the lead of the article or as an alternative name for it. 151.241.254.19 (talk) 10:49, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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