Talk:Charlie Daniels

"chickenhawk"?

Cho exactly is calling Daniels a "chickenhawk"? We should have a citation for a charge like this. TDC 22:51, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

For real, what a loser whoever wrote that. Charlie Daniels rules. Also, the third citation is completely irrelevant and I'm deleting it... now.

Charlie Daniels' support/partnership with Camp Laughing Child

I believe people should know about Charlie Daniels' benefit concert for Camp Laughing Child. Im not sure if should be a new section or be a continuous under his religion.Cajoiner (talk) 19:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Vietnam Song

I think people should take issue with this passage, although I'm not going to change it because I'm not totally sure if I'm misunderstanding it the right way! Anyway, here goes: "In contrast, "Still in Saigon" (written by Dan Daley) was an effective portrayal of the plight of the American Vietnam veteran ten years after the war; it was part of an early 1980s wave of attention to the subject, in contrast to treatments such as Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the U.S.A." and "Shut Out the Light", Billy Joel's "Goodnight Saigon", and somewhat later Steve Earle's "Copperhead Road"."

In particular, the statment "effective portrayal...in contrast to treatments such as Bruce Springsteen's 'Born in the U.S.A. and 'Shut Out the Light'...seems calculated and partisan. Does that mean that there songs were any less accurate? Is there something such as a source that could back that up? It seems like a highly personal and opinionated assessment of Mr. Daniel's music and perhaps unfairly denigrates that of Mssrs. Springsteen, Joel and Earle. Can you show that their songs are less effective in portraying the plight of Vietnam veterans? I think that should be reworded.

Changed 'acknowleged' to 'said'

Here's why: Acknowleged, written in that context means that he's accepted something to be known as fact such as to acknowlege that the temperature of the earth has risen in recent years or to acknowlege that the New York Mets have seven starting pitchers on their spring training roster. There is, however, nothing factual about not criticizing veterans. It is a personal choice on behalf of some people. You can think it's in poor taste--which to me makes no sense because service in the military gives no one a free pass, nor is a requisite for citizenship. Instead, using the word 'said' better reflects Mr. Daniels' sentiments--which of course are generally speaking very simplistic and (editorializing here)and ignorant. So unless he uses that word just use 'said'.

External links

> 29 June 2005 TDC (once again, please explain the notability of anon "articles" from websites, or it goes bye bye)
> 29 June 2005 Gamaliel m (Reverted edits by TDC to last version by Wasted Time R)
> 29 June 2005 TDC (anon criticisms from extreme partisan sites hardly constitutes a notable criticism)

I agree with TDC on this, I don't think the chickenhawk citations are worthy – they come from obviously slanted, poorly put-together, low-visibility partisan web sites. I made several additions to this article recently about Daniels' political works and views, that show the apparent evolution of his views, but more could probably be added. Also Volunteer Jam needs a lot of work. Wasted Time R 29 June 2005 17:01 (UTC)

[after more rv battles between the above two] I looked through Daniels' website "Soapbox" columns to see if he directly addressed the chickenhawk charge. Unfortunately couldn't find anything, but I did get a couple of columns where he said he couldn't criticize Kerry. So I included a reference to this in the article. Seems like a possible compromise. Wasted Time R 29 June 2005 18:59 (UTC)

I agree that the recent addition is perfectly reasonable. TDC June 29, 2005 19:13 (UTC)

Saviano

Err...maybe I'm wrong, but I don't exactly see the part about Saviano belonging in this article. Daniels is not directly involved in the incident. His publicist? Yeah. But him? No. So...I'm gonna remove it. If someone thinks I'm wrong, let's talk here.

Kell 03:41, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

This incident recieved a great deal of coverage in alternative newspapers and places like that. Certainly more important than his appearance in some random music video. Gamaliel 21:18, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Ah, but we must remember that the Wikipedia's purpose is the collection, categorization, and presentation of facts that are pertinent to the subject, yes? Charlie Daniels, at least to me, is first and foremost a musician, an entertainer. Therefore, records pertaining to his career, i.e. an appearance in some random music video, are very important. The question, though, is whether the Saviano incident, covered by alternative newspapers as it may be, is pertinent to the Charlie Daniels article. In my mind, if there is going to be any mention of Saviano at all in the Wikipedia, it is to have their own small entry, not as part of Charlie Daniels', becaue Daniels has only a coincidental part in it. As I said before, if his publicist at the time had an article, then yes, Saviano should be included. But the only connection between Daniels and Saviano is that Daniels happened to have an article/editorial in the newsletter that Saviano received. He did not distribute the newsletter. He did order his publicist to get the woman fired as far as we know (that would be speculation anyway, which really doesn't have much, if any, place in an encyclopedia). So it is not pertinent.

If you would like, since I'm sure we won't be able to come to an agreement on this, maybe we should call in a moderator or some such, to make the call? I will look into doing that.

--149.159.22.83 20:56, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

NINJA EDIT: This is Kell, by the way. Forgot to log in.

This whole section is extremely POV. Kirt Webster has said that he didn't call to complain but to find out if they had cancelled a special on Daniel's set to run in a few days since he had received a letter from Saviano claiming she was starting a boycot against Daniels. Saviano was fired for sending out an email calling for a boycott of Daniels which the email said was being sent to 2000 people, and for not making it clear that she was speaking only for herself and not as a reprentative of the company. Saviano didn't state in her emails that she was using her personal account and not speaking for the company until after she'd been told by her boss not to send anymore emails to Webster. She sent another one anyway, but finally made it clear that it was not a company message. Saviano sent a total of 6 emails to Webster all to complain. I doubt I'm the only person who isn't outraged that a TV producer would be fired for getting into a flame war with a member of the entertainment industry that continued even after she was ordered to stop. Other people are entitled to feel differently of course, but the article needs to give all the facts so people can decide for themselvse. She hired a lawyer, but in the end did not sue which is pretty good sign she had no case. Furthermore, Daniel's has said that he knew nothing about her e-mail or the fact that his publicist his contacted GAC until it bacame a news story.--Heathcliff 07:15, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Volunteer Jam II

Where is it? Or did he just skip it and go straight to Volunteer Jam III?

Vandal

I noticed someone wrote "He is now dead as a doornail" At the bottom of the page. It has now been removed but be on guard for more vandalism. 12:30 5 April 2006

I hate vandalism but reading this actually made me chuckle...

In the Hall?

Is Charlie Daniels in the Country Music Hall of Fame? - Alakey2010 29 May 2006 09:11 pm.

Geezer

Charlie Daniels is almost a geezer. —Mariusz Zielinski 23:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

True. He's going to be 70 in October. —Gm1121983 20:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

POV

I'm sorry, but I really think this sentence is POV:

His band's official website contains a "soapbox" page [2], where Daniels has made statements denying the science of global warming ("the topic de jour among the self proclaimed wise and elite these days") and evolution (" In the future Darwinism will be looked upon as we now look upon the flat earth theory."), and made personal attacks on politicians such as Senate majority leader Harry Reid ("I am more afraid of you and your ilk than I am of the terrorists.").

The quotes themselves obviously can't be POV (since they're source material), but the descriptions of the quotes are editorializing. I could argue that his statement to/about Harry Reid was not a personal attack on Mr. Reid but rather a simple statement about Reid's beliefs, and I could say that saying he's "denying" the science of global warming is a loaded term and that it would be more neutral to say that he "disputes" the science of global warming.

I think the best way to do this is to let his statements stand for themselves and just rewrite the sentence as:

His band's official website contains a "soapbox" page [2], where Daniels has made statements such as the following: "the topic de jour among the self proclaimed wise and elite these days," regarding global warming, "In the future Darwinism will be looked upon as we now look upon the flat earth theory," and "I am more afraid of you and your ilk than I am of the terrorists," regarding U.S. Senator Harry Reid.

cluth 00:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Jazz

For some reason this talk page had the {{Jazz-music-project}} banner. (Similarly, I've seen pictures of Charlie Daniels on Wiki Commons in the "Jazz musicians" category.) I've never known Daniels to have any association with jazz, but just to make sure it wasn't a simple matter of my own ignorance, I took a look through the article itself: the word "jazz" does not appear at all. I'm removing this from WP:JAZZ. Thanks. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

If you listen to enough of Daniels' music you'll discover he has done some songs that would almost certainly qualify as jazz, although these songs are enough in the minority to render it questionable whether he could reasonably qualify as a jazz musician. Thus I can't really object to removing him from the category, as he is much more strongly associated with country rock, bluegrass, and even blues and gospel, but there is at least some plausibility to the claim of him being a jazz musician. --Mwalimu59 (talk) 21:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you guys remember that jazz fiddley dude, Jean Luc Ponty? Well, maybe this guy was buds with Jean. That would make Charlie Warlie a total jazz head! Oh, by the way (for the record): the Gatlin Brothers, pretty much suck! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.138.33 (talk) 05:50, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Age?

The last time i checked in the article ,Charlie Daniels was in his 70s, not 90s.and he looks like he's 77.could somebody please help me out? --Wikirockroll (talk) 22:04, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

It was a nonsense edit. It's now been reverted. --mwalimu59 (talk) 01:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

thanks --71.67.179.158 (talk) 20:37, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

immigration views

This comment was removed because it was inappropriate. Please read the appropriate use for the talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines --Rastaraqi (talk) 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

and he is a god — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.95.48.23 (talk) 00:55, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Style or Genre

The reference for AllMusic shows most of the genres in the infobox as "styles", are styles and genres the same ? Apparently it's OK to list a "style" as a "genre" in the infobox. Mlpearc (open channel) 02:53, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

• Thing is, it looks like crap that way. Make a new section to talk about his contributions to various different styles and generalize it, because "country, country rock, blues, blues rock, rock, Southern rock, rock and roll" looks ridiculous, like repeating the same genres several times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.42.44.210 (talk) 22:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

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Awards and nominations

This article should probably have such a section. From google I found:

• • Awards
• Academy of Country Music Awards Cliffie Stone Icon Award

1998

• Country Music Association Award for Instrumentalist of the Year
  • Nominations
• Tony Award for Best Original Score,2003 · Urban Cowboy

Country Music Association Award for Song of the Year 1980 · In America

• Academy of Country Music Award for Vocal Event of the Year

2012 · Country Boy

• Outer Critics Circle Award for Outstanding Broadway Musical

2003 · Urban Cowboy

• Grammy Award for Best Country Instrumental Performance

2006 · I'll Fly Away

• Country Music Association Award for Vocal Event of the Year

1997, 1994 · Long Haired Country Boy, The Devil Comes Back to Georgia

• Academy of Country Music Awards The Home Depot Humanitarian Award

2004

• Academy of Country Music Award for Fiddle Player of the Year

1982, 1981

Article also mentions 6 BMI songwriting awards but only the name of one of the songs.

Sources would need to be found and added of course. Rmhermen (talk) 18:03, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2020

Under the Career heading, when he becomes a member of country music Hall of Fame along with fellow CHANGE tar heels to Tar Heels (Tar Heels is capitalized!) 75.177.108.60 (talk) 23:25, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done RudolfRed (talk) 00:59, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Background Information

Birth Name Charles Edward Daniel ````Music Row Pro

References

Faith

In his latter years Charlie was an outspoken Christian, but there's no mention of his faith on the main page or of the gospel albums he recorded.Spiritquest (talk) 06:39, 7 July 2020 (UTC)