Talk:Cenobite (Hellraiser)

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Backgrounds

There is an entire storyline about the cenobites themselves, it includes their origins, their duties in hell, what they represent, all kinds of things! Can't someone find this and write it up? ARGH! YOU SUCK! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.134.44.77 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 23 February 2005

If such a thing exists, it's fanon, and has no place in this article. This article is concerned with the film series and The Hellbound Heart, which offer little about the Cenobites' backgrounds. Pinhead is sketched in the second and third films, but is a minor character in the novella. The others aren't delineated at all. Canonblack 04:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Who sucks? If you're so damn concerned and knowledgable about it, write it yourself. 66.55.193.240 15:20, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Since no one else seems to want to take the initiative I will start adding backgrounds for the cenobites myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.55.193.240 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 28 December 2005

Whoops...

Sorry about deleting everything when I created that disambiguation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy Christ (talk • contribs) 06:03, 17 January 2006

Rewrite?

This article seems skewed almost entirely toward the film versions of the Cenobites. There is very little here that ties to the novella. Most of the "identities" or titles listed for the various Cenobites are fanon or studio marketing copy and are not used in the films themselves. The supposition that the Engineer in the novella is a Cenobite is technically correct (it is referred to as "the fifth Cenobite" who is mysteriously absent when Frank Cotton solves the puzzle — Frank was expecting the Engineer to appear with them), we are never told what exactly the Engineer is, and its powers, M.O. and appearance seem radically different from the other Cenobites. Among other properties:

The Engineer is the only one to have a name/title.
Cenobites have mutilated ash gray bodies, but the Engineer can pass for human (it runs into Kirsty in the street as she escapes the Cotton house) and can animate the bodies of the dead (it introduces itself to Kirsty while occupying Julia's corpse). Its only identifying mark is a ball of intense flickering energy where its head should be or its head seems engulfed in flame from certain angles.

I think this article needs a rewrite to differentiate between novella, Epic Comics and film depictions, and if the fanon/hype titles and identities are to be retained, then we need a section devoted to fanon contributions as well. As it stands, the article is of only trivial value because it's just a mishmash of random factoids without differentiation or source citations. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan site. Canonblack 13:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Leviathan

The term "Leviathan" links to an entry that describes the Biblical creature. The Hellraiser mythos needs a new entry and a new definition for the term because the Christian leviathan is not the Hellraiser leviathan.

Mikeymichaels 10:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cenobite links to itself

Weird Al played this game on his website, where a link to another site actually linked back to the site itself. Is this article deliberately copying this technique for a Hell-ish reason or is it a mistake? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.49.126 (talk) 00:07, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rewording the article for Hellraiser: Bloodline

The article gives a wrong impression as to thinking the Pinhead is still the evil-monster type in Hellraiser III. In III, there is no former human in him so he doesn't follow Hell's rule. Hence why he massacres all the people in the club and makes cenobites out of innocent people. Pinhead and his human self remerge at the end of III. In four that Pinhead is very much the combined. His motives are only to open the gate to hell forever. He's not acting as a "super-villain" as the article suggests. He targets the bloodline that is guilty. They opened the gate to hell and never gave themselves to it, he's only following the rules. Which remember in Hellbound, Kirsty didn't open the box this time yet they still wanted her because she never payed under there rules for the first time, despite delivering them Frank, but then Pinhead kind of did have a thing for Kirsty herself. As far as the guards go, they willingly entered hell so Pinhead turned them into cenobites. It was shown in III, that anyone can be given the cenobite transformation, whether evil, desiring it, or not. When they entered Hell, they were far game under hell's rule. Which is why I say we just removed the part to mention Bloodline and say the "super-villain" aspect only appeared in part III for the reasons stated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.9.223 (talk) 20:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OR Tag in powers and abilities section

I tagged the "powers and abilities" section as OR because it doesn't cite any sources whatsoever, and lines like "Though not entirely confirmed, they seem to be able to summon forth their chains from any nearby shadows" sound like pure speculation to me. I'm not familiar enough with the franchise to know whether or not these sources even exist. I know there's been a book written within the past few years about the franchise - maybe that could serve? Eldamorie (talk) 17:11, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion explained. LeProf

The "Powers and abilities in the films" section was deleted for inattention to 2011 Original Research tag, and for (in that same time frame) persisting with essentially no citations to traceable, encyclopedia source material. While it may seem harsh, this is intended as a conservative redaction: nearly the *entire* of the article is either original research, or plagiarised, and so currently unsuitable for Wikipedia.

As well, there is the passing time: no one, in two years, has seen it important enough to deal with the persistent, critical issues. Hence, it is this editor and contributor's view that the entire article should be converted to a stub; the original / cribbed material can be placed into Talk, so those caring to can begin the process of creating a real Wikipedia article (from the archived original, or carte blanche). Otherwise, articles of this status, with years of inattention to *fundamental* wikipedia policy, are a pox on an online source attempting to move toward being a credible information source. LeProf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.223.9.222 (talk) 00:30, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hellraiser: Judgment

I'm posting this since someone might add it later, but please keep in mind that the new characters in Hellraiser: Judgment from the yellow dimension are not Cenobites 2 in a similar way that Kylo Ren and Supreme Leader Snoke are not Sith. "Cenobite" specifically refers to the organisation in Hell in which Pinhead belongs, which the Auditor and company are associated with but function in another sect of Hell. Thanks. Dark knight 2149 23:35, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]