Talk:Peugeot

Automobiles PEUGEOT =

Automobiles PEUGEOT is the brand under which P.S.A. sells Peugeot motor vehicles. PEUGEOT SA is not a subsidiary of PSA PEUGEOT CITROEN, the relationship is the otherway around.

Automobiles PEUGEOT is a subsidiary of P.S.A. in the same way that Automobiles CITROEN is a subsidiary of P.S.A. both of the commercial entities buy their vehicles from the manufacturing company PSA-PEUGEOT-CITROEN which is also a subholding of P.S.A (Check out the annual report of PSA for a full map outlining all of the different relationships for the consolidated accounts : )Madmannimann (talk) 22:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)madmannimannMadmannimann (talk) 22:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Peugeot is a range of cars produced by PSA Peugeot Citroën, also known officially as Peugeot SA (that's why it is called PSA). This article should be about the Peugeot products, not the PSA holding company. Some editing is needed in the 1980s and on history to move holding company information to PSA, and keep this article focussed on Peugeot products. Warren (talk) 11:10, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

References

About the '0'

Here are some pictures of old models, to complete the explanation for the central '0' that would have been made for the starting handle:

401: http://www.motorimania.it/manifestazioni/auto_storiche/images_peugeot/b_peugeot_401_11.jpg
601: http://www.amicale-peugeot.ch/Bilder%20Fahrzeugtypen/601_1.jpg
We can clearly see that the hole is not in the model plate

302 : http://appassionato.fiat.free.fr/salon/DCP_0325.jpg
Here we see that the '0' is used for both model number and as an hole

Antp 09:49, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Currently on the article: « The common French pronunciation of "Peugeot" is "POOzho" (IPA 'puːʒʊ). »

Not at all, I never heard any French speaker use this pronunciation. It is 'pø:ʒo (using IPA characters commonly used in French; I do not know what "ʊ" should sound like).

I do not know how to translate the "ø" in English-like ("U" ?), that's why I post this here rather than editing the article (I'll edit it anyway in few days if I do not get any reply here).

Antp 15:51, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think it's pronounced "Per-zhou" (zhou sounding like joe but without the soft "G") in French. In Australia, we pronounce it like that, occasionally with the normal "J" sound.

Nope, the way it's pronounced in French is the way it currently says in the article. I've heard it many times. --Jamieli 12:36, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Could anyone record how to pronounce Peugeot in French and English please.

Here is a recording of the French version: peugeot.wav

My microphone does not seem to work very well when recording, thought it works well with Skype. The "g" may sound a little :like a "z" in this recording, but it should not. -- Antp 21:54, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I updated the pronunciation sections. I removed the Danish and Greek pronunciations. This is an article written in English about a French car company. French and English are the only pronunciations needed. If we added in other pronunciations, the page would never end. Someone had added an American pronunciation "poo-got", but I removed this. I'm sure there are some people who might say this, but this would definitely be considered "incorrect", in the sense that if a person were to say that, someone would surely correct them. It would be the equivalent of pronouncing the "t" in "Chevrolet" - I'm sure it's been done, but no one would say that's the usual or "correct" pronunciation. Also, the French pronunciation should be correct now (I edited it earlier), but let me know if anything seems wrong with it. --SameerKhan 02:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Malta Poo Goo?

I'm maltese and only the illiterate pronounce it 'poo goo'! for god's sake! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.203.47.66 (talk) 19:36, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Update

A few months ago, I added the a roughly correct pronunciation (pronounced /'pɜːʒəʊ/] - roughly 'PER-zho') but this was "corrected" to [puː'ʒoʊ] ('poo-ZHO'). Peugeot is a French car company, so the IPA should reflect the original, true pronunciation, which would be ['pø:ʒo].

It turns out that, apparently, in the US, they pronounce it "poo-ZHO". In addition, in other countries it can be pronounced 'PYOO-zho' and 'PEZ-zo' and many more but there's no need to add these ones. Unless someone wants to make a table of how the word "Peugeot" is pronounced in different countries..?

In summary, I - like SameerKhan above - think the various countries' pronunciations ('poo-ZHO', 'PYOO-zho', 'PEZ-zo' etc.) should be omitted and then either the standardised pronunciation of 'PER-zho' ['pɜːʒəʊ] or the original French of ['pø:ʒo] should be used. Please discuss it here before changing anything on the article.IndieSinger (talk) 09:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

How about we start the article with Peugeot (France: /'pø:ʒo/, UK: /'pɜːʒəʊ/, US: /puː'ʒoʊ/... IndieSinger (talk) 20:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

For what it's worth in this discussion, I'll point out that French is, by linguistic definition, an END-STRESSED language. All words in standard French have their stress at the END. Many words get borrowed into English, where their pronunciation is altered. This is extremely notable in British and Commonwealth English (except for North America, generally). So, French words like ga-TEAU, Pa-REE (Paris), sa-CHET, buff-ET, ball-ET etc, get altered to GA-teau, PA-ris, SA-chet, BUF-fet, BALL-et, especially in Britain. This is how names from French got Anglicized -- ma-RIE becoming MA-ry, and ber-NARD becoming BER-nard in England. The problem is that tonation is often mistaken for stress. All languages have certain "sing-song" qualities, and the French will often make their first syllable slightly higher in tone; however, this is NOT the same thing as "stress", in linguistic terms. French is an END-STRESSED language, even if they "sing" the first syllable a little bit. So, the stress in "Peugeot" should rightly be placed at the END.

Also, British speakers will insert a rhotic "r" in some borrowings where the vowel sound is somewhat constricted in a foreign language. In other words, sticking an "r" sound into Peugeot to get PUR-zho, because French "eu" is very tightly constricted and not natural to English speakers. Ask a British person to pronounce a modern made-up word like "banana-y" (meaning, it looks or tastes like banana). They'll say something very much like "bananary", adding a slight hard "r", because the vowels don't follow normal English patterns. North Americans will say something much more like "banana-ee". I'm not implying that one is better than the other -- this is simply about recognizable linguistic trends.

So, neither British PUR-zho nor North American poo-ZHO is really right. In standard French, the pronunciation really should be somewhat closer to "poo-ZHO", except that the "poo" syllable should be very short, closer to the word "put", not an actual "oo" sound.

Your best bet is to offer the true French IPA, ['pø:ʒo], and not try to influence people to one variant of pronunciation or another. 91.105.54.35 (talk) 18:22, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. As stated above, I realise the French pronunciation is [pø:ʒo]. And I also realise that neither the British, US or any other nation's efforts are "really right". However, I'm wondering whether it's prudent to include the UK and the US approximations as that is how they are said in those countries? Even though it's not the original pronunciation.

My point, I suppose, boils down to this. Do we start the article like this:

Peugeot (pronounced /ˌpø:'ʒo/ (≈ pər-ZHOH)) is a major...

... or do we start the article like this:

Peugeot (France: /'pø:ʒo/, UK: /'pɜːʒəʊ/, US: /puː'ʒoʊ/) is a major...

And if we go with the first option, should other pronunciations be included somewhere in the text? IndieSinger (talk) 19:05, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I see no reason not to include the French pron as well. After all we have the German pron of Volkswagen. It doesn't have to go in the lead - it could go further down or in a footnote. Lfh (talk) 12:54, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Now I've added the French. If someone wants to add the US English /puːˈʒoʊ/ as well, that's fine. Lfh (talk) 10:41, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Many years ago an announcer on the (English-language) Welsh TV used to pronounce it "Pugh joe". However these days most British people pronounce it as described in the article. Similarly, Renault used to be pronounced to rhyme with "vault" but that has gone away too. 87.115.205.151 (talk) 00:35, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Why is the UK pronunciation including an r in the ipa transcription? Surely the r is not pronounced as RP is non-rhotic, and this isn't a case of an intrusive/linking r type situation.99.236.215.170 (talk) 20:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I am British and I can tell you that it is only the English that add the 'r'. In Scotland Peugeot is pronounced the French way (without any 'r'). I can not speak for Wales. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.216.134.196 (talk) 13:55, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

And yet, you're not adding an R *sound*, as RP is non-rhotic. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm still confused over the difference between /ɜː/ and /ɜːr/ and in RP it seems as if there is really no difference in pronunciation at all other than that it is to be transcribed as /ɜːr/ if and only if (1) the vowel is at the end of a word and subject to intrusive or linking r, OR (2) in the middle of a word and GA would pronounce the same word with an R sound? Shiggity (talk) 22:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Apparently, North Africans whose first langauge is Arabic, including some living in France, sometimes pronounce it pi-zho (supposedly because the "eu" sound does not exist in North African Arabic). Acwilson9 (talk) 08:03, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

307 LX UK cars converted from Europe's stock

The front screen wipers for the 307 LX is badly designed for UK users. The driver side wiper cannot reach close to the edge of the screen and leaves quite a big area unclear during driving in a rainy or snowy day. The blocked area is measured about 5 inches from the side and 7-8 inches from the top. The wiper on the driver side is shorter than the one on the left thus the passenager side can have a better view than the driver. Driver of this model has to move to the centre while driving in a bad weather, it is very dangerous and uncomfortable. It is redicious for Peugeot to sell problematic car by ignoring the safety and comfortableness issues.

Having written to complain (email) about the faulty design, the response is that the design was under the safety regulation with 80% visible area. However, the 80% visible area is on the passenger side. Having raised this issue with the Peugeot dealer, Belmont, staff agreed that this model was converted from European stock. It is impossible to change the front screen wipers. This is the way it is!

Can anyone comment on this? Is it common for car manufacturers to convert European cars for use in UK can without thorough thinking? What is the customers right after purchase?

Comment on above issue: The earlier versions of the 307 was designed with a single mechanism for both RHD and LHD versions, the screen does provide enough coverage when wiped for a RHD model, and the explanation given by the dealership is mis-leading. The vehicle was designed this way and it is not a conversion from "European Stock". If you want to know a little more try "info@peugeot.com" (my old email address in a former life in Paris) All complaints about this in 2004 were sent to the engineering team for analysis for the facelift (T-6), including the video of a 307 being driven round Tokyo in the rain. Madmannimann (talk) 22:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)MadmannimannMadmannimann (talk) 22:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Edit in model numbers

I'd like to know why the following was removed by Arpingstone from the "model numbers" chapter:

But the real first models (like the 301, 401 and 601) were not using this "trick". Only later models, like 302 and 402, have this feature.

As it was an indication about the fact that this story about the 0 used first for the staring handle was in fact more an urban legend.

Antp 21:12, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Simple! I couldn't understand what was being said so, rather than have that para look amateur, I removed it. You are perfectly welcome to put it back if you can make what it says understandable - Adrian Pingstone 14:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I am not a native English speaker, so I cannot do a much better sentence, sorry. I mean that the first Peugeot models with a 0 in their name (301, 401, 601) did not have the starting handle hole in the "0", unlike the 302 and 402 (which are newer models). So model numbers with a 0 in the middle were not chosed for this purpose (see the pictures that I posted above). Antp 14:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Funny! I could understand perfectly what user Antp was refering to.

BTW, User Pingstone could bring his (sort of arrogant) speech down a notch. This is supposed to be a work of good will. Most of us don't use English as first language and we may make a mess of things at time. It doesn't mean we don't try our best. Neither does it mean that we mind being corrected for our mistakes.

What i really don't like is the sort of snob attitude emplied in some answers. Southwestsoul (talk) 16:35, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Add the mopeds!

Peugeot used 101,102, and 103 for their models of mopeds from 1960s through the 1990s! Please add this! It's funny and interesting that they continued to 104 as a car! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.215.140.12 (talk) 03:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

Chrysler Europe

I deleted the following: "Unlike Citroën, Chrysler Europe had no current designs and its factories were worn out."

I can't speak definitively to Chrysler Europe's facilities; I also doubt anyone can cite a reliable source that describes their condition in 1978. However, how could Chrysler Europe have "no" current designs when the Horizon was introduced in 1978, the same year Peugeot took over? "Current" is something of a subjective term, but surely a basically all-new vehicle which won the Car of the Yearin 1979 would be current in 1978.

C'est l'hemi?

Can anybody substantiate something? I've heard the 345 hemi design went to Simca & was built in Europe for years, including in tank/armored car engines, then ended up in Brazil as a 137ci. True? Include it? Trekphiler (talk) 13:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Really old cars

Thankfully enough, the large number of historic Peugeot models (from 1889 to 1944) have their links all properly categorized. That may not be very helpful anyway, since some of the models are merely different bodywork of the same essential car and don't deserve their own page. However, few of the Peugeot cars of this era have articles at all, and the ones that do are all towards the end of the period. My interest in Peugeot is limited and my experience nonexistent; but I do hate that big sea of red that accompanies a timeline full of links with no articles behind them. I've already made small entries for the Type 3 and the Type 54 and hopefully others will be interested in filling in the gaps and making an appropriate article or section of an article for each model. Chaparral2J (talk) 13:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Pop Culture?

I don't think that the pop culture section of this article is very important. If it had more examples, such as in films, etc. then it might be relevant. Otherwise I would just consider that section trivia, and delete it. --Robo56 (talk) 02:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd say the first recorded car theft rises to the level of sufficient interest. TREKphiler ^{hit me ♠} 03:15, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Salt production? (Grinders, and other kitchen- and table-service tools)

"In 1842 they started production of coffee, pepper, salt and grinders.[2]" Is this phrase accurate? --Southwestsoul (talk) 16:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

No, it should certainly be 'production of coffee, pepper and salt grinders.'. Fixed. (They still make salt and pepper grinders, that are of very good quality.) Popup (talk) 12:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Wondering why the article doesn't mention the fact that they still make these grinders and other kitchen equipment. Certainly not a huge part of the business, but it would seem to deserve some kind of mention in a small sub-heading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.163.193 (talk) 00:11, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I added the section Peugeot#Kitchen- and table-service equipment. The current fr:Peugeot Saveurs firm does not currently have its own Wikipedia article in English. (I myself do not currently have the time to translate the French article.) Peugeot Saveurs still makes and markets coffee grinders, pepper & salt grinders, and other kitchen and table-service equipment, and is still controlled and majority owned by the fr:Famille Peugeot family. (At one time, the Peugeot family business(es) also manufactured other hand tools, such as pliers and saws; radios; sewing machines; etc.)

This present Peugeot article starts out discussing the full range of 19th-century Peugeot industrial production, but then confines itself to just the 20th- and 21st-century Peugeot cars and trucks. The problem with this structure is that the Peugeot automobile/truck brand is now a combination with Citroen, Opel, Vauxhaul, Fiat, Chrysler, etc. (fr:Stellantis, previously fr:Groupe PSA), and is no longer solely associated with the Peugeot family (although they have about 7% of the shares and a family member on the board of directors, as of January 2021). In 2019, Groupe PSA sold off its remaining interest in the Peugeot Motocycles motorcycle-moped brand-name. And, the Cycles Peugeot bicycle brand-name was sold off to unrelated companies years ago (just like the Schwinn, Raleigh USA, and Raleigh Canada bicycle brand-names were in N. America). This is all much clearer in the more complete set of French Wikipedia articles about the Peugeot family and the firms founded and owned by them. Acwilson9 (talk) 22:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

New Peugeot logo 2010 is wrong

I'm refering to your actual logo of Peugeot File:Peugeot-logo-wiki.png

First: The official background color is transparent (white) not black.

Second: The picture uploaded at Commons is a copyright violation. It must be deleted there.

I don't know if you can upload this logo locally on en.wikipedia but if yes so please upload correct verson as here: real Peugeot Logo de.wikipedia Thank you! User Pressemappe --86.33.169.56 (talk) 11:43, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

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THIS IS NEW LOGO FOR PEUGEOT IN 2010:

http://www.cartype.com/pics/2941/full/peugeot_logo_2010.jpg

CAN SOMEONE UPLOAD IT ON THIS ARTICLE? I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. 89.146.162.65 (talk) 14:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Peugeot company structure

This article says Peugeot is officially Peugeot S.A. in the infobox and "Peugeot is a major French car brand, part of PSA Peugeot Citroën" and "Parent : PSA Peugeot Citroën" the PSA article says "PSA Peugeot Citroën (officially Peugeot S.A.)" so which one is correct? this needs to be clarified somehow. -->Typ932 ^T·C 12:58, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

This conversation is also at the top of the talk page. According to the company's registration document: The name “PSA Peugeot Citroën” refers to the entire Group of companies owned by the Peugeot S.A. holding company [1] and interestingly was incorporated in 1896. In 1998 PSA transferred all development and manufacturing assets from Automobiles Peugeot and Automobiles Citroën to Peugeot Citroën Automobiles SA. I shall update the infobox and intro paragraph to suit. See page 90 of the registration document for a full breakdown of the company structure. Warren (talk) 13:47, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Lost and founders

I just noticed: there are multiple dates of "founding". As I understand the term, "founding" happens only once. After that, it's adding a division or new business, not creating an entirely new company. Thus, multiple "founded" is out of place. Beyond that, it's cluttering the infobox for no reason; the explanation belongs in the text. Absent objections, I intend to delete. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 15:23, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

There is a typo under Early History. It says "... began in the manufacturing business in the 18th century". If the company was founded in 1810 then it should say "19th" century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.194.188.43 (talk) 05:29, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

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REALLY bad writing

Look at the very beginning of the article: "The Peugeot family of Valentigney, Montbéliard, Franche-Comté, France, began in the manufacturing business in the 19th century. In 1842, they added production of coffee, pepper, and salt grinders" -- the business of manufacturing what? Added production to what? 93.185.27.5 (talk) 16:15, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Peugeot re-entry into North American market

Okay so apparently I made an edit that Peugeot was entering the United States and Canada markets in 2023, which is actually true. The problem: a user reverted my contributions with a supposedly invalid summary that this is not a "crystalball" per wp:not. It is true, Peugeot will enter the us and Canadian markets in 2023 and even reliable sources like cnbc have reported on this reentry into the north American markets.

Feel free to discuss about this dispute so we can try to reach a consensus. Should we reach one, I might add a source (possibly cnbc) to go along with it. Metric Supporter 89 (talk) 04:15, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

I heard rumors that Peugeot has plans to expand to the US — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:CD:C000:3DE0:AD33:4F1C:A1F8:B11B (talk) 23:47, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Will red brushes come down in the Egyptian market?

Will red brushes come down in the Egyptian market? 41.40.187.86 (talk) 15:51, 14 May 2023 (UTC)