Talk:A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century

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Correct title

The correct title for this "faux" book is: A Racial Programme for the Twentieth Century

Israel Cohen: Frequently asked questions

Since this keeps coming up:

Yes, there was an author named Israel Cohen.
Yes, he was Jewish (as his name might have suggested :) ). (However, he does not appear to have been a Communist.)
Yes, he wrote several books, including one published in 1912.
No, this is not proof that he wrote a book entitled A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, nor does it prove that such a book exists.
- As was noted back when the quotation first appeared, neither of the two largest English libraries in the world (the British Library and the Library of Congress) contained any record of such a book.
- Via the intertubes, you can check the truth of this statement yourself. Here are the links again: British Library catalogue, Library of Congress catalog.
- Whether you search for the title, search for the author's name, or go through the entire catalog(ue) from beginning to end, you will not find A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century.

Whether this means A: that such a work does not exist or B: that the Elders of Zion are scrupulous about covering their tracks, you may decide. —Charles P._(Mirv) 22:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know the book exists, I hold a copy of the original works in my very hands. I also know of several other books published by Mr. Cohen during his time in England.

Copy the title page, scan it, and upload it to Wikipedia. If this is real, you would be doing a real coup.

Those who control the past, control the future; Those who control the future, control the present; Those who control the present, control the past. Stop distorting history for your own benifit.

This is why a man like Professor Earl Raab of Brandeis University's Institute for Jewish Advocacy can write with such utter confidence that:

"The [U.S.] Census Bureau has just reported that about half of the American population will soon be non-white or non-European. And they will all be American citizens. We have tipped beyond the point where a Nazi-Aryan party will be able to prevail in this country. ... We have been nourishing the American climate of opposition to ethnic bigotry for about a half a century. That climate has not yet been perfected, but the heterogeneous nature of our population tends to make it irreversible."

Further Proof:

Israel Cohen, A Short History of Zionism (Muller, 1951)

http://www.art.man.ac.uk/RELTHEOL/JEWISH/EXHIBITION/ARCHIVE.HTML

[ The University of Manchester took this link down, but you can find the book posted at the following location: http://www.archive.org/details/shorthistoryofzi009976mbp ]

Um, do you imagine there has only been one "Israel Cohen" throughout history? And do you imagine this particular one was also writing books 40 years earlier? Google gets thousands of hits for people named "Israel Cohen", many of them authors. However, there was no book with that name ever published, and the Communist Party didn't exist then. Jayjg | (Talk) 02:56, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I am quite skeptical, but okay. Are you claiming you have a copy of this book? Is that what you mean by "the original works"? If so, you can tell us where it was published and who published it. You can also tell us the number of pages, and you might know the number of printings and editions. If you can prove this by uploading scans of the relevant pages (you'll need an account), that would be great. Then perhaps you can point out a library that owns a copy. It's still not in the Library of Congress (see for yourself); I'll look into WorldCat tomorrow but I doubt I'll have any more luck. —Charles P. ^(Mirv) 08:27, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

P.S. The Israel Cohen you point out was a prolific historian (I'm not sure if he was British), not a Communist thinker, and while he was a Zionist and did publish a book in 1912, that book was called Zionist Movement, not A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century. He probably deserves an article; his autobiography (entitled A Jewish pilgrimage; the autobiography of Israel Cohen) would likely be the best source. —Charles P. ^(Mirv) 08:55, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

One last addendum: this is sometimes called A Radical Program for the Twentieth Century, but seems to be similarly elusive under that title: LOC turns up nothing, Worldcat will probably do the same, and the only Google hits are from racist websites. —Charles P. ^(Mirv) 09:02, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

(By the bye, and not really related to this article, there was some technical weirdness going on with this talk page due to a bug that causes multiple creations of the same page. 210.54.59.106's initial post (everything above "Further Proof") didn't show up in the history thanks to the bug. At first I wasn't able to restore it by the usual technical means, but it all seems to have sorted itself out now. If the edit history for this page has any unexplained strangeness, that's why.) —Charles P. ^(Mirv) 08:34, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

And by the way, anoymous user: what is the source of your quotation attributed above to Earl Raab? Sources other than Neo-Nazi websites, please. -- The Anome 08:42, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)

Although I wouldn't want to place many bets on the reliability of this link, but it does claim to give a reference which perhaps someone can try tracking down at a library and either confirming or discrediting:

http://www.heretical.org/miscella/fredtv.html

Earl Raab:

"The Census Bureau has just reported that about half of the American population will soon be non-white or non-European. And they will all be American citizens. We have tipped beyond the point where a Nazi-Aryan party will be able to prevail in this country. We have been nourishing the American climate of opposition to bigotry for about half a century. That climate has not yet been perfected, but the heterogeneous nature of our population tends to make it irreversible – and makes our constitutional constraints against bigotry more practical than ever. (Earl Raab, Jewish Bulletin, 19 February 1993, p. 23.)

Like I said above, I wouldn't want to take their word on such a reference. But at least this is something which people can attempt to track down. This link that follows does not give any date, but claims that it was in "the San Francisco Jewish Bulletin."

http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=3815

Again, this is not a source which you'd want to depend on. But perhaps someone can follow this up by seeking out copies of a Jewish Bulletin published out of San Francisco and attempt to either confirm or refute the quote by checking issues from the date of February 19, 1993. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.25 (talk) 23:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WorldCat results

 No records matched your search:
(au: Israel and au: Cohen) and ((ti: "A" and ti: Racial and ti: Program and ti: Twentieth and ti: Century))

Speaks for itself, I think. —Charles P. ^(Mirv) 19:20, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 WorldCat Advanced Search   
 No records matched your search:
(au: Israel and au: Cohen) and kw: Racial  
 Enter search terms in one or more boxes and click on Search.

Just repeated the search. If WorldCAT can't find the book, I very much doubt it exists. I'm changing the wording accordingly. --Xiaphias 13:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

* * I found 3 books by Israel Cohen on this web site, available for download in PDF format: A Short History Of Zionism (1951), The Zionist Movement (1946), Jewish Life In Modern Times (1929). Go to http://www.archive.org and search on Israel Cohen or try this link: http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=Israel%20Cohen%20AND%20mediatype%3Atexts * * *

Bias

Okay. This article uses the word "alleged" far too many times. While it may seem on the surface to be a good weasely way of pretending to show neutrality, the article's refusal to admit that this book is a fake, its contents pure anti-Semitic lies and drivel, reveals its bias. Putting forth this kind of stuff and then saying that it is "alleged by Jewish groups to be an anti-Semitic forgery" is like saying that some people allege that slavery was bad, or that some people allege that the Nanking Massacre happened.

In the use of words like "allege" and "claim", there is a difference between being neutral, and using these words to discount a given view, thus purporting a biased opinion. Please edit this to make it truly neutral, and to describe the book, its origins and contents objectively and truthfully. LordAmeth 09:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well its like the Scientology pages here on Wikipedia, we all know Scientology is a dangerous scam and would like to just plainly say it, but they have their minions here on Wikipedia being sticklers for the rules. Same goes for the many-faceted conspiracy subculture, just look at the other people in this talk complaining, calling it real, etc. Maybe sourcing more definitive evidence regarding the hoax would reduce the number of alleges? LamontCranston 16:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

not a forgery?

Just because some Jew alleges that a book is a "forgery" doesn't make it so. For instance, no one possesses a physical copy of Phytheas' "On the Ocean", but yet we know it once existed. Myron_C._Fagan alleges to have known Mr Cohen and talked with him about this book at a banquet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.10.35.153 (talk • contribs) 17:24, 25 March 2007.

some Jew? I wrote most of this article and I'm not Jewish; neither, so far as I can tell, is Paul Boller, author of my main source.

Many classical works are lost, no surprise there, but that's due to the passage of many centuries and the lack of printing presses and paper. It would be most unusual for a book published in 1912 to have disappeared so thoroughly that only one paragraph of it could be found in 1957 (with no mention of it appearing in the intervening 45 years, no less); if this did happen (and I'm not saying it did) one would have to question whether the book is of any importance at all. How can anyone implement the program if they can't read the book?

Regarding Fagan, well, by his own account he first remembered it 47 years after the fact, after reading the only paragraph that's ever appeared anywhere else—and he didn't write about for another 10 years. This is hardly independent confirmation.

It would be trivially simple to prove that this is more than a product of Eustace Mullins's imagination. The only thing that's necessary is verifiable evidence that some library, somewhere in the world, holds a copy; that alone would be grounds to tear down the article and rewrite it completely. In the 50 years since the book's existence was first alleged, nobody has provided such evidence. I find this telling. —Charles P._(Mirv) 16:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Catguy00 (talk) 23:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)==Invalid Source==[reply]

Somone is trying to use a link from a far-right wing website that deals with Jewish consiracies, the NWO and the Illuminati, to claim that an Israel Cohen did write the passage in debate. No biographical information appears on that site so I deleted it as invalid.

Here is the link in question - http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=FinalWarn04 23:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)Catguy00 (talk)

The claim that Israel Cohen did not exist may be inaccurate. See these links:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9E03EED7103EE733A05754C1A9679C946496D6CF&oref=slogin

http://judaica.library.usyd.edu.au/histories/Marks.html

A bit more searching shows that an Israel Cohen who lived at about the right time is referred to on another Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Massel.

The article quotes a claim by "Rep. Abraham J. Multer" of "the nonexistence of a British Communist author named Israel Cohen." Does this mean that Israel Cohen did not exist, or that he did exist but was not a "British Communist author"? Judging by the comments on this page, it seems that the intended meaning is that Israel Cohen did not exist. However, it seems clear to me from the New York Times link that he did exist and I would suggest amending the article to make clear that Multer was mistaken to suggest otherwise.

--- He is also listed at Oxford University's Dictionary of National Biography.

Oxford Biography Index entry Israel Cohen

Cohen, Israel (1879–1961), Zionist and author

Oxford Biography Index Number 101057107

http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101057107

Primary authority: Oxford DNB

Also, a simple search on Amazon for "Israel Cohen" returns several books about Zionism.

---

CharlesP is smart. He bases his ideas on logic and empiricism. You all would do well to apply the same standard. Let me spell it out for those who can't wrap their heads around it though: If you can't find a 1912 book on worldcat, it's because it doesn't, and didn't, exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.173.100.24 (talk) 21:08, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are books existing, you won't find on registers, even large ones. You still need to deliver proof of their existence. Well a quote does indeed exist: https://www.archive.org/stream/congressionalrec103dunit#page/n25/mode/2up --105.3.163.131 (talk) 15:41, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And btw. why isn't this scrutiny not applied to "Holocaust evidence"?

No Thomas Abernathy

Perhaps someone should have caught this before, but there is no Thomas Abernathy from Miss. listed in the bio dictionary of congress. Sure it wasn't Rankin?--Dudeman5685 (talk) 17:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

problem solved--Dudeman5685 (talk) 17:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Dudeman5685" needs to do a little more research. Thomas G. Abernethy represented Mississippi in the U.S. House of Representatives between 1943 and 1973. Source: http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/general_library/archives/finding_aids/MUM00001.html

68.45.235.12 (talk) 05:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Eustace Mullins wasn't even born in 1912

"A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century is an antisemitic hoax promoted by Eustace Mullins" ~ Wikipedia

How stupid do you think we are??? Eustace Mullins wasn't even born in 1912, according to WIKIPEDIA Eustace Mullins was born in 1923!!! And you wonder why nobody donates to your pathetic pack of Lies??? Wikipedia has ZERO credibility!!! I wonder how much you payed Google to have Wikipedia results appear as the FIRST result??? Shameless Liars spreading PROPAGANDA!!! Read your Bible, see what happens to LIARS!!! "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8

I think what is being indicated here is that Mullins wrote the paragraph in the 1950s and backdated it to 1912. This has happened before with other hoax documents, like the famous Donation of Constantine.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 05:22, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

Should this be merged into Mullins' article? b uidhe 08:23, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No. There's a lot of useful, specific information here for people who don't care about Mullins per se. The article should be expanded. Jayjg ^(talk) 20:38, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Far right?

I notice this is in the “far right publications” category - this doesn’t quite seem to fit alongside other publications where writers publish far-right polemics, but that may be more of a question with respect to the category than with respect to this page Bluetik (talk) 14:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]